Saturday, August 23, 2008

Lets Go You Oilers!

Summer is almost over and training camp is just around the corner and here come the hockey previews and their predictions.

Both have the Oilers making the playoffs, sold by the kids' rush to the finish last season I would guess.

Predictions are a mug's game. Last season I predicted all eight Western playoff teams correctly but only picked four in the East. Two years ago I picked the Oilers to finish around sixth, figuring that they would pick up a defenceman or two. That was the year THN picked them to finish 13th and the writer, Adam Proteau, crowed when the Oilers failed miserably in the spring. Of course that team, while flawed, collapsed when injuries ravaged the roster, especially the thin back end. Proteau boasting about his pick shows that some waters certainly don't run deep but that's no surprise.

Hopes are high amongst Oiler fans and for good reason:

1/ The additions of Visnovsky and Cole make this team a better one.
2/ Penner will be in better shape.
3/ Fernando is healthy.
4/ Last year's team was ravaged by injuries - this may happen again but maybe not.
5/ The kids will likely be better. Some may take a step back but its likely we will see a lot trend upwards, especially considering a few more vets in there to help shelter them.
6/ No more rookies unlike last year when the roster was riddled with them.

Detroit is in and we know that it is likely that the big three in the Pacific are golden as well. That leaves four spots for the Northwest clubs, Chicago, Nashville and Phoenix. Phoenix won't make it - they are a year away I would say. The Ducks are fading but this is their last kick at it and the Yotes' eighteen games against them, the Sharks and the Stars are going to leave the Gretzkys out of it.

So four spots for seven teams. The Oilers are going to be better, I think everyone can agree on that. The key is that many of their opponents are weaker. The Avs are in trouble in net and have lost a terribly underrated guy in Sauer. If Sakic is gone then I think they have to take a step back. The Flames said goodbye to two of their top six forwards - Tanguay and Nolan>Cammilleri and Bertuzzi. On D the Flames have gone from having a terrific young D a few years back to having a suspect one. And a malaise seems to be settling in on the West Coast.

The Wild are the team that most are picking to win the division with Brunette and Zidlicky coming in while Demitra and Rolston are out. What they have going for them are young guys like Koivu and Burns and the system that seems to have them in the mix every year. Like Jersey and Nashville they are always competitive, no matter who is in and who is out.

So the Oilers have two possibilities. First or second in the division, as predicted by these magazines, and they are in. Third and they are in the mix for the eight seed. Fourth or fifth and they are done.

They have holes; we all know that. The thing is everyone else does too. The Flames are thin up front, on the back end and they don't have a lot of guys to play the tough minutes. The Canucks will have trouble scoring - their forwards are just poor. The Avs have a nice looking back end and are pretty solid up front too but their goaltending is weak and if Sakic is out then there goes the guy who makes that team go.

Personally I will wait to make my calls on the season but for the first time in three seasons I think the Oilers have a legitimate shot to play when it counts.

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Oilers could have a good year. I predict though a average season with no playoffs though. I notice you stating that the Canucks will have trouble scoring again. I would think that with there healthy offensive D-men (Salo, Bieksa, Krajichek, Ohlund and an improved attackers list, that scoring shouldnt be an issue. Demitra, Bernier, Wellwood are gonna make a huge difference. If Sundin comes, then we are leading the Div in goalscoring easy.
Back to the Oil though, I admit Hemsky is good for 80 points. Cole is iffy for 50 points, Horcoff wont be gettin anywhere near 50 points and the rest is a gamble. Penner, Gagner, Cogliano and on are alright, but nowhere near as talented or as deep as the Oilers nation seems to think. We have Kesler, Raymond also as unproven young players but we dont laud them as saviours like Oil fans do. And as for Pisani, comin back from his illness was awesome and surely pumped the room up. But theres a Pisani on every team and the Nucks have one named Burrows with the exception that Burrows is twice as talented.
It will be a great year though, and you never can tell. I predict though that Minny wins it, Nucks in 2nd, Calgary 3rd, Lanche 4th and Oil 5th with no playoffs.
The lack of goaltending with average defence and reliance on sophomores will cost you dearly.

David S said...

Horcoff "wont be gettin anywhere near 50 points"

"Lack of goaltending"

Gagner "nowhere near as talented or as deep as the Oilers nation seems to think."

Good god man. Its time to lay off the booze.

HBomb said...

Horcoff won't come anywhere near fifty points?

Your IQ doesn't come anywhere near fifty. A great example of why I despise Canucks fans. At least most (some) Flames fans have a clue....

Rob... said...

I agree Horcoff won't come close to 50 points....it'll will be closer to 80 points.

HBomb said...

But theres a Pisani on every team and the Nucks have one named Burrows with the exception that Burrows is twice as talented.

Burrows is a cheap-shot artist who couldn't hold Pisani's jock.

He's twice as talented? Burrows had 12 goals in 81 games (career high, by the way). Pisani had one more goal in 25 LESS games. This is before considering two way play and all that other good stuff that helps a team win games.

Try again.

Face it, the Canucks are the worst team in the NW heading into the season, are a coin-flip at best IF they get Sundin to make the playoffs, and are a Luongo injury away from ending up with John Tavares.

Don't take it from me, read the preview magazines....

Kent W. said...

If Sundin comes, then we are leading the Div in goalscoring easy.

Bwahahaha.

I love it.

Anonymous said...

Ah yes, the fools have spoken. I posted last night to see what retarded comments would appear in regards to my post.
Burrows makes about a quarter of Pisanis salary. And brings a solid two way game with intangibles to the table. He hits, fights and stands up for himself. Easily the superior to Pisani.
As for Horcoff, we'll see. He doesnt have great hands, and with his huge contract, he'll be under a lot of pressure. If he cracks 50 points, then its a great season for him.
Gagner, i'm sick of talkin about. He ISN't as talented as you Oil fans think he is, if he matched Comrie in careers, then he has done well. The rankings dont lie!!

As for the Nucks as the worst team in the Div? Hah. The Oil and Flames both have grim outlooks on holdin on to a spot this year. It can happen, but it has to go perfectly.
Anyways, nice to see that the season is startin to warm up. And even though we (Canucks) are relying heavily on Luongo again, our scoring outlook as gone up and our defensive game is the best in the Div.

HBomb said...

Ah yes, the fools have spoken. I posted last night to see what retarded comments would appear in regards to my post.
Burrows makes about a quarter of Pisanis salary. And brings a solid two way game with intangibles to the table. He hits, fights and stands up for himself. Easily the superior to Pisani.
As for Horcoff, we'll see. He doesnt have great hands, and with his huge contract, he'll be under a lot of pressure. If he cracks 50 points, then its a great season for him.
Gagner, i'm sick of talkin about. He ISN't as talented as you Oil fans think he is, if he matched Comrie in careers, then he has done well. The rankings dont lie!!

As for the Nucks as the worst team in the Div? Hah. The Oil and Flames both have grim outlooks on holdin on to a spot this year. It can happen, but it has to go perfectly.
Anyways, nice to see that the season is startin to warm up. And even though we (Canucks) are relying heavily on Luongo again, our scoring outlook as gone up and our defensive game is the best in the Div.


Living proof that the Vancouver Canucks and their fans are the western equivalent of the Toronto Maple Leafs. The Gagner comparison is especially amusing. So Comrie bagged 50 points in the NHL at age 18? Right.

And as for Burrows, his career high in goals is 12. Pisani has exceeded that total each of the last four NHL seasons. Until Burrows equals his regular season production (let's not even mention the ability to do it in the playoffs), your ridiculous claim is proven wrong.

Keep trying though - your ridiculous statements are fun to punch holes into. Hopefully you have the balls to show up mid-season when the Canucks are languishing in last - then again, considering you don't have the guts to post with a screen name.....let's just say I'm not holding my breath.

oilerdiehard said...

When you say the Flames lost 2 top 6 forwards in Tanguay and Nolan. How about losing Huselius as well?

I think the Wild will be competitive but Rolston was a huge loss for them IMO. Also losing Demitra will hurt as well. I like Brunette but I think the Wild will be worse this year.

HBomb said...

I think the Wild will be competitive but Rolston was a huge loss for them IMO. Also losing Demitra will hurt as well. I like Brunette but I think the Wild will be worse this year.

Rolston and Demitra out, but Brunette and Nolan in.

A step back, but not a huge one. Smaller than that taken backwards by Calgary, Colorado or Vancouver. The Wild probably are the favorites to win the division championship at this point.

Right now, I've got Minnesota, then Edmonton slightly ahead of Calgary, then Colorado just outside the playoff picture, then Vancouver in the bottom four in the conference with St. Louis, Columbus and Los Angeles (in no particular order). The race for second between Edmonton and Calgary will be close to a dead heat, and with the right combination of health and luck, either of those teams could win the division.

Sakic is the X-factor in this whole thing. If Colorado gets him back, they become a lot better.

David S said...

"I posted last night to see what retarded comments would appear in regards to my post."

That sir is the textbook definition of the term "troll".

Black Dog said...

oilerdiehard - forgot Huselius

I feel the same way about the Wild but I feel that way every summer.

hbomb - you're a riot

jdrevenge said...

think i just peed my pants...

to relay one of the ten greatest sports quotes of the last decade;

"Put yo name on it, I dont care if youre a man.... or a woman, put yo name on it."

you posted to see what kind of retarded comments you would see... heres a mirror take a peek

HBomb said...

hbomb - you're a riot

I hope that's genuine admiration Pat.

Calling BS is like shooting fish in a barrel sometimes, really. It's not even sporting, it's so unfair.

therealdeal said...

When did this place become the damn peanut gallery?

And Horcoff would have to have his worst season in years to not even come close to 50pts. I wonder if anonymous will be around here when the Canucks finish out of the playoffs.

doritogrande said...

anonymouse:

You've got to be kidding me. Burrows better than Pisani? When he starts performing against the Iginlas and Sakics ot the Northwest such as Pisani does each and every game, they aren't comparable. The comparison you are looking for is Curtis Glencross, a 4th liner.

Sundin has already turned down 10-Million per year from Vancouver. If he didn't want it then, he's not going to want it now. Enjoy your fleeting pipe-dream while you can. He's also never played in the West. We all know it's an adjustment to dealing with Ugly and Brazilian Wax compared to the likes of Wade Redden or Teppo Numminen from Toronto's division.

Sure, the Oilers might have to throw some youngsters into the deep-end and see if they float come this season, but the Canucks are going to have to do that even more. Bernier and Wellwood have come off bad seasons and will have enormous pressure placed on them to provide secondary offense. Ryan Kesler and Burrows will have to step up their two-way games, because the Canucks have nobody else. They lack veteran presence up front, and what little they do have are already on the down-side of their careers.

You mention the scoring from the blueline that could save you from being shut-out every game, but all you're so-called "offensive blueliners" are all as fragile as Ethan Moreau. Bieksa, Salo, Krajichek all missed significant time last season. You're putting a lot of hope on their recovery.

Your prospect pool is also shit-poor. Raymond is the best you've got. Hansen won't be anything more than a third liner, and Grabner had trouble adjusting to the AHL game last season. You'll be lucky if you don't fuck up a promising career from Cody Hodgson. Brian Burke raped your talent pool, better realise that. I'm from Manitoba, and watch the Moose play regularly. It's not the Canucks prospects that are winning games for them, it's signings (such as your own Alex Burrows) from the Moose that make the team go.

I don't have the Canucks placing at the bottom of the standings like most do, basically because of Saint Luongo in the net. Colorado's due for an epic fail this year. You'll be fighting it out with Calgary for 3rd all year.

Bruce said...

Calling BS is like shooting fish in a barrel sometimes, really.

Bullshit Barrel Shoot... it's almost poetic.

Burrows is a punk but as agititators go he's pretty effective, and is an especially accomplished diver. Kesler is the real deal. If both can stay healthy that'll give Vancouver a second line.

But the same old problem remains: Canucks always seem to carry too few players who have both character and talent.

Black Dog said...

hbomb - genuine admiration it is; good stuff

Doogie2K said...

Pisani had one more goal in 25 LESS games. This is before considering two way play and all that other good stuff that helps a team win games.

Don't forget vomiting blood, and barely being able to walk from the bed to the can to do so, three or four months earlier. Can't forget that.

When you say the Flames lost 2 top 6 forwards in Tanguay and Nolan. How about losing Huselius as well?

I believe Tyler conclusively showed that Cammalleri is basically the same player type, give or take a level of ability.

HBomb said...

I believe Tyler conclusively showed that Cammalleri is basically the same player type, give or take a level of ability.

So essentially Cammalleri replaces Huselius, and Bertuzzi replaces no one.

That means....Rene Bourque replaces Tanguay?

Fantastic.

HBomb said...

And when I say no one, I mean Nolan. D'oh.

jdrevenge said...

I'm sorry for spitting venom canuckfan my emotions got the best of me. I had to put up with talk like that for the last 3 years in Cowtown and i got my back up real quick.

I'm gonna be safe and say that both clubs have made some solid additions without noticeable subtraction. It's gonna be a fight in the NW moreso this year than last year as last year there was a 3 tiered division in the NW - Calgary at the top Minny and Colorado second and Edmonton Van at the bottom.

This year all five teams seem to be a bit more on the level.

The Luongo baby fiasco seemed to effect his play and with all the injuries to the blueline the team wasnt that far off what the Oilers were doing.

The Oil will make the playoffs this year, mark my words. The Canucks may suprise us with the blueline back and Luongo able to focus on his game. The Mike Gillis show could go either way however and it could all turn to sh t.

Anonymous said...

Well, that seems more civilized. I can't understand some Oil fans who shoot down every other team and then stand up for the Dink team that is iced season after season in Edmonton.
The Oil are lookin better than last year, but they arent even close to contendin for the playoffs. They can't score, they are woefully inept in there own end and there goaltending is average at best.
My Canucks havnt really stepped down. I mean, last year Nazzy was called useless all over Oil blogs. We replaced him with Demitra and picked up Wellwood and Bernier to boot. We are much deeper than last year and with Edler and Raymond steppin it up. We should compete for the Div and should be a virtual lock for the playoffs with Luongo tending goal.

As a final parting shot. I say Bertuzzi outscores every Oiler with the exception of Hemsky. He is the player that fat-assed Fred Penner can never be...

Ps. Black dog. You run a good blog with honest commenting. Keep it up, in the end its only hockey and we're all fans.

HBomb said...

Well, that seems more civilized. I can't understand some Oil fans who shoot down every other team and then stand up for the Dink team that is iced season after season in Edmonton.

Ironic coming from a dink fan of a team that has plenty of them, but carry on, good troll....

The Oil are lookin better than last year, but they arent even close to contendin for the playoffs. They can't score, they are woefully inept in there own end and there goaltending is average at best.

The Oilers have a better offense in terms of depth and quality than anyone else in the division with the possible exception of Colorado with Sakic. Some of them are young, but they're talented youngsters. Then again, being a Canucks fan, you wouldn't know what that is. Garon is more than adequate in goal. The defense is better, mostly because some guys like Gilbert and Grebeshkov are one year older and more experienced. They can move the puck - that's a big deal.

My Canucks havnt really stepped down. I mean, last year Nazzy was called useless all over Oil blogs. We replaced him with Demitra and picked up Wellwood and Bernier to boot. We are much deeper than last year and with Edler and Raymond steppin it up. We should compete for the Div and should be a virtual lock for the playoffs with Luongo tending goal.

How exactly are you deeper than last year? Demitra/Wellwood/Bernier will replace Naslund/Morrison. Wellwood's going to put them over the top, eh? Must be a great player if he couldn't hack it on an awful Maple Leafs squad. And do you seriously think Raymond is something more than a guy with 3rd line upside? In short, the Canucks forwards suck. Luongo is the only thing keeping that team from a lottery pick.

So let's get this straight. The Oilers finished ahead of the Canucks last year, have taken steps forward, yet won't be close to the playoffs. Yet the Canucks haven't taken steps backwards (i.e. are in roughly the same spot), yet them will compete for the division title ? Apparently the thing called "logic" isn't your strong-suit.

As a final parting shot. I say Bertuzzi outscores every Oiler with the exception of Hemsky. He is the player that fat-assed Fred Penner can never be...

That's the kind of thinking Brian Burke used last year. He then bought out Bertuzzi. Nice try. As for your prediction for Bertuzzi's production, good luck with that. No way he outscores any of Hemsky, Horcoff, Cole or Gagner, and Nilsson and Penner could blow past him as well. The only thing going for Bertuzzi is he gets to play with possibly the best RW in hockey (at least to start the season, until Keenan figures out Bertuzzi is what we all know he is - DONE).

Ps. Black dog. You run a good blog with honest commenting. Keep it up, in the end its only hockey and we're all fans.

I think Black Dog will concur that this statement is meaningless after you've come to the party and shit all over the floor like an untrained puppy. Ever heard the term "practice what you preach"?

Then again, personally, I find having a low-intelligence punching bag around sort of fun. Keep it coming - we know you'll disappear as soon as the regular season starts and the inaccuracy of your statements is proven by the results on the ice.

Like I said though, don't take it from me. Look at some seasonal preview magazines.

Black Dog said...

anon - appreciate the praise, not sure if I agree with your take on the division though

I'm going to take a closer look at each club so maybe you can give me your take on the Canucks then. Personally I think they have a terrific D and Luongo is one of the best but I still think they lack a lot up front. They have three sure things - the Sedins and Kesler. After that they need Burrows (terrific agitator) to step up and become a player who can play tough opposition and produce doing it. They need Bernier to show more then he has in two stops so far. They need Demitra to stay healthy. And Wellwood has to save his career. Have watched him in Toronto the last few years and his ocnditioning is very poor. Maybe this will be his wakeup call.

That is a lot of ifs and with Pyatt that still adds to eight NHL forwards by my count.

It could work out but my guess is no. Of course, we'll see.

jdrevenge said...

Holy moly canuckfan you're still not putting your name on it... judging by the syntax you've been using in all your other posts around the sphere I think its fair to assume that I know who you are. Including one where you stated that you "hated" Edmonton. I tried to set a bar for you to reach for you and you pretty much missed it an knocked all your teeth out on the fall. By saying the Oilers arent even close to the playoffs renders you obosolete in commentary. I dont know if you're just trying to lash out due to your teams perceived ineptidude that consistently runs with all the major and minor hockey talk going round these days or what. Your team is like Selma Blair- Nice back end but not very top heavy.

You sir need to sit down and practice some logic puzzles.

*flame on*

David S said...

I think its kinda cool when the young kids start posting on blogs like this. Problem is that when you mess with the bulls, you'll get the horns every time.

HBomb said...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=247711&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_main

Definitely some news of interest in terms of the Northwest Division. Having Sakic back makes this thing a four-horse race for first place, methinks....

Anonymous said...

Well. I'll admit that you Oil fans have heart if not much sense. This garbage is the same stuff that i've heard for the last 15 years. Like I said in my original post, the Oil MIGHT have a good year, but I cant see it pannin out.
I think that the Nucks will finish ahead of them, and I dont think its gonna be very close either.
I post quite infrequently and have never said that I "hate" Edmonton. Never been there but have nothing against it.
As for a screen name, I suppose that it would somehow give you a name to hate :)
And if anyone wonders, the reason that I check out this blog and some other Oilers ones is cause the quality of writing is great (with the obvious hometeam blinders on) about hockey.

As for Bert. I dont think hes done at all. I am worried about him and Jarome together.

And one more thing. What will the excuses be IF the Oil suck and finish below the Nucks and out of the playoffs? The excuses have to runnin out...

HBomb said...

Well. I'll admit that you Oil fans have heart if not much sense. This garbage is the same stuff that i've heard for the last 15 years. Like I said in my original post, the Oil MIGHT have a good year, but I cant see it pannin out.

Well, your opinion is one of many, and given some of your statements here, it's not one rich with knowledge or objectivity, and as such, isn't worth much.

I think that the Nucks will finish ahead of them, and I dont think its gonna be very close either.

You might be the only person who I've seen say this. EVERY preview magazine I've seen so far has the Oilers ahead of the Canucks, and only one even has Vancouver in the top eight.

I post quite infrequently and have never said that I "hate" Edmonton. Never been there but have nothing against it.

So you're admitting you know very little about the city? This is an indirect statement on your part, kind of like how statements like "Gagner is another Comrie" or "Horcoff won't get anywhere near fifty points" are an indirect admission you don't have a fuckin' clue about the Oilers or hockey in general. But carry on!

As for a screen name, I suppose that it would somehow give you a name to hate :)

All it would do is move you from status of "chickenshit troll" to simply "left-coast idiot".

And if anyone wonders, the reason that I check out this blog and some other Oilers ones is cause the quality of writing is great (with the obvious hometeam blinders on) about hockey.

Definition of hometeam blinders: thinking Kyle Wellwood is going to help a forward unit starving for offensive production.

As for Bert. I dont think hes done at all. I am worried about him and Jarome together.

He's not done? MAYBE not, but if you look at the last three seasons he's had and the slide he has been on, odds are he is. More often than not, guys going downhill like that don't bounce back. The guy is a shell of his former self, and if he hits fifty points, Calgary should consider it a wild success.

And one more thing. What will the excuses be IF the Oil suck and finish below the Nucks and out of the playoffs? The excuses have to runnin out...

1) Nice work on the grammar in that last sentence, all ready to start grade 7 next week?

2) I think you can peg the opinion of Black Dog's original post as being "cautious optimism", which is reflective of the Oilogosphere as a whole lately when it comes to the outlook for the Oilers - a young talented team with some warts.

There's four teams that are in a derby for the Northwest crown this year, with one lagging away's behind. If Luongo has an MVP type season AND the Canucks land Sundin, they might climb up into the chase for said title with the Wild, Flames, Oilers and Avs. As is, due to a pathetic lack of forward talent, they're a cut below. But don't take it from me....

doritogrande said...

I think the Sakic signing just bumped the Avalanche to the top spot in my division standings. There's no team in the Northwest that can effectively match both of the Sakic-Smyth-Hejduk Stastny-Svatos-Wolski lines in the same night. It's jut not possible. That's some horribly good offensive depth. Their goaltending is suspect to be sure, but so was the goaltending of the late 80's Oilers.

Agreed with H-bomb, trolls are shit. And unless Sundin is enticed by gobs of money Vancouver doesn't have an experienced skater to rally around. On paper (injuries aside) they finish last. However, each of the 5 teams is a specific injury away from a lottery pick.

And just as a point to further strengthen a point that trolls need to learn to think before they post:

"As a final parting shot. I say Bertuzzi outscores every Oiler with the exception of Hemsky. He is the player that fat-assed Fred Penner can never be..."

Final parting shots mean you don't write again. You make a final parting shot, then you leave to avoid additional criticism. You did one, but not the other.

Anonymous said...

This is like a car wreck, and I have to look :)
I've never been to Edmonton, but I know lots about the team. There is Oiler fans in my family, so we've been battlin for decades. I've scratched my head in disbelief over Oiler fans for years. Somehow there is a missing link when it comes to analyzing there own team. Facts are that Edmonton has been one of the worst teams since the millenium. Like I said originally, the Oilers might have a decent season and they might not.
Preview magazines mean nothing. Just a month ago Vancouver was being lauded as the most meaningfully updated team in the NW on the hockey news.But dont take it from me, read it yourself. Do you agree?
I can admit that the Canucks probably wont win the presidents trophy this year. But they will work hard, check hard and win a lot of tight games.
If you somehow think that your Oilers are gonna blowout teams and win 6-2 every night. And takin it a step further, since your Oilers have admittedly "adequate" goaltending and "a year older" defence. I dont see the Oilers keepin up. I'm predictin a terrible start with serious questioning of MacT's coaching ability followed by a average run ending in another non-playoff year.
Then i'm predicting the same "wisemen" comparing the "year older" Oilers to Detroit or even the "boys on the bus" and spittin out the same old tired crap about the upcoming year and there talented youngsters.
You guys dont change, and I can respect you for it. But this years Oilers while better than last, still aint ready or stocked for any kind of longterm success.
I'll be posting regular and I promise to get a screen name. I'm not sure how its gonna help anything, but I am guestin on your site, so I will abide by the rules.
I'll shoot for a screen name such as " billybilly"

boopronger said...

"But this years Oilers while better than last, still aint ready or stocked for any kind of longterm success."

So this years oilers are better and last year they finished ninth, tied with the canucks, yet they are still a long ways away from a playoff spot?

Last year = ninth place. This year, better team = long way away from playoffs.

Makes sense to me!

HBomb said...

This is like a car wreck, and I have to look :)

If this is a car wreck, you must be the idiot who was going down the freeway 120 km/h that caused the whole thing.

I've never been to Edmonton, but I know lots about the team. There is Oiler fans in my family, so we've been battlin for decades. I've scratched my head in disbelief over Oiler fans for years. Somehow there is a missing link when it comes to analyzing there own team.

To restate: if you think Horcoff is going to struggle to get to fifty points or that Sam Gagner is another Mike Comrie, you're fucking clueless about the Oilers. As for having blinders on about their own team, well....even a Canuck fan should be able to admit they are woefully thin at forward.

Facts are that Edmonton has been one of the worst teams since the millenium. Like I said originally, the Oilers might have a decent season and they might not.

Worst team since the millenium? Four playoff appearances in eight years in a team where just over half the teams make the playoffs? Once again, you show your complete lack of logic. They also have one Stanley Cup finals appearance. In other words, one more than MANY teams out there, including San Jose, Buffalo, Philadelphia....and Vancouver. How 'bout that?

Preview magazines mean nothing. Just a month ago Vancouver was being lauded as the most meaningfully updated team in the NW on the hockey news.But dont take it from me, read it yourself. Do you agree?

So preview magazines mean nothing, but a Hockey News article (and I know exactly which article you speak of) is somehow meaningful? Talk about selective memory.

For one, it was one of the few articles I saw giving praise to the Canucks; second, I'm not even sure it was the Hockey News (and even if it was, that's not a ringing endorsement, as that publication has been sliding downhill for the last five years); and finally, it was a junk article (the things they omitted from that article about some of the teams profiled was just pathetic) - but that's just my opinion on that single article. An overwhelming majority of media projections have the Canucks last in the Northwest, and I challenge you to disprove this.

I can admit that the Canucks probably wont win the presidents trophy this year. But they will work hard, check hard and win a lot of tight games.

More than that, they'll struggle to score and if Luongo doesn't hold teams to 2 goals or less, they'll lose a whole bunch of 2-1 and 3-2 games.

If you somehow think that your Oilers are gonna blowout teams and win 6-2 every night. And takin it a step further, since your Oilers have admittedly "adequate" goaltending and "a year older" defence. I dont see the Oilers keepin up.

They won't have to win 6-2 every night, but they will be able to score. Garon is far more than adequate as a starting goaltender - no All-Star, but very solid. And the defense will benefit from full health of Souray helping the PP and PK and Visnovsky improving on the spot taken by Pitkanen last year (same player, but with more veteran savvy).

I'm predictin a terrible start with serious questioning of MacT's coaching ability followed by a average run ending in another non-playoff year.

When it doesn't play out that way, I'm predicting we don't see you here.

Then i'm predicting the same "wisemen" comparing the "year older" Oilers to Detroit or even the "boys on the bus" and spittin out the same old tired crap about the upcoming year and there talented youngsters.

There is no guarantee of immediate success, but the arrows are pointed in the right direction long-term. Which is more than can be said about the Canucks. Beyond the Sedins (UFA in 2009) and Luongo (UFA in 2010), what do they have long term? Any prospects of note outside Cody Hodgson? Nope.....

You guys dont change, and I can respect you for it. But this years Oilers while better than last, still aint ready or stocked for any kind of longterm success.

Gagner. Cogliano. Nilsson. Hemsky cheap for four more years. Key veteran Horcoff extended. Gilbert. No 100% guarantee of long terms success, but a damn nice start with some depth in the prospect system too. "Long term", they're the best positioned team in the Northwest Division in terms of young talent.

Vancouver, meanwhile, has a prospect pool that measures up to that of the Flames - and that's not a compliment. Cody Hodgson, and then what?

I'll be posting regular and I promise to get a screen name. I'm not sure how its gonna help anything, but I am guestin on your site, so I will abide by the rules.
I'll shoot for a screen name such as " billybilly"


I can't speak for everyone, but I'd prefer if you just went away and never came back, and I bet there's others aligned with this opinion. Adding a screen name isn't suddenly going to mean you're not trolling with your clearly biased and uneducated commentary.

doritogrande said...

"Vancouver, meanwhile, has a prospect pool that measures up to that of the Flames - and that's not a compliment. Cody Hodgson, and then what?"

Missed Cory Schnieder. Who unfortunately will get buried under Mt. Luongo. But he'll be a great bargaining chip. And I'll be surprised if this Yann Sauve character didn't make it.

But like you said, that's few good prospects to go with a lot of mediocre. Similar to Calgary's pool, and ours of about 5 years ago.

HBomb said...

But like you said, that's few good prospects to go with a lot of mediocre. Similar to Calgary's pool, and ours of about 5 years ago.

This is the thing. Is there an Oiler "prospect" (i.e. not counting guys who have established themselves on the roster, such as Gagner) who I would take straight up over Hodgson? Probably not.

But the overall pool that the Oilers have (multiple guys looking like they're going to have NHL careers) absolutely blows away that of the Canucks.

They're in the same spot Calgary was in 2005 or thereabouts - one mega-blue-chip prospect, and then not a lot else to get excited about.