Sunday, October 05, 2008

MacIntyre?


OK, I'll shut up now. After the Oilers picked up Steve MacIntyre on waivers I dismissed him out of hand.
Turns out I was oh so wrong. Both papers today say he has made the Oilers, as has JDD, based on their performances Friday night. Barring an injury or a Roloson getting shipped out it looks like Brule and Schremp are getting sent out.
The Oilers have espoused team toughness since LeGG left town and games like last year's brawl with the Canucks show that this team will stick up for each other however there is little doubt that teams have taken liberties with a lot of the Oilers' players, especially Hemsky, in the last two years.
The MacIntyre move does not bother me in terms of the roster spot he takes up. I'd rather he sit in the pressbox on nights when he is not needed then Schremp or Brule. The guy is almost thirty and his next NHL game will be his first, I believe. Munching on popcorn isn't going to stunt his growth as a player.
As for his usefulness, Matt Fenwick argued in the thread after Friday's game that he felt that the addition of MacIntyre would be pointless for the Oilers. Respectfully I would disagree. Vandermeer's assault on Pouliot after he scored showed that the Flames had no fear of retaliation. Vandermeer is a pretty tough guy and he went after a guy who certainly is not a physical threat.
Does MacIntyre stop this from happening? Well, I would say that the way he pounded Vandermeer afterwards is going to make a good number of Flames think twice next time they decide to run an Oiler. Will it stop Regehr from pounding on Hemsky? Probably not - that's his job and he is a tough guy who can handle himself - but then again, maybe it will. Guys like Vandermeer and Phaneuf though - I would say they may show a little more respect out there. There are always guys like Boogaard too - he will not be deterred, I think, but now the Oilers look like they have a response, a guy who will go after Gaborik next time Boogaard takes a run at someone.
I don't believe in the idea of a goon, per se, but the Oilers are deep enough up front that when MacIntyre is stapled to the bench MacT can still run four lines, double shifting a number of guys, which is also a nice carrot to have. And based on the what has happened the last two years makes me think that for better or for worse, they need the threat of MacIntyre being on their side.
It certainly seems that MacTavish and the players feel this way.

13 comments:

spOILer said...

According to the Journal today, Kevin McLelland reported Boogard and McIntyre used to go at it fairly regular in Junior.

And how long till we read/hear "Big Mac Attack
"?

Doogie2K said...

Ogie Oglethorpe was apparently based on a real-life thug named Bill Goldthorpe, who made an impression in his first WHA experience with a three-and-out with the Minnesota Fighting Saints in a playoff game against Houston.

David S said...

Schremp? Yeah, whatever.

But Brule plays Oiler hockey and I'm sorry to see his arrival will be delayed by a goon.

On the other hand, like it or not our small guys get beat on alot. Guess we need some meatheads in the lineup to make sure that's kept to a minimum. I saw it stated somewhere recently that Stortini is becoming a valuable 4th liner, so he's not as expendable as he was last year. Cue Macinwick.

Black Dog said...

david - yeah Brule is going to fit nicely, I think, and in a perfect world he would have a spot on the top dozen of the defending Stanley Cup champion Edmonton Oilers

I'd rather have the kid playing a ton of minutes in Springfield then rotting in the pressbox, which seems to be the result for the 13th and 14th forwards the last couple of years, iirc

Brule will get his shot as soon as someone gets hurt.

I still find the whole thing a little surprising though.

Schitzo said...

I actually support the idea of running what amounts to 11 forwards. For a guy of Hemsky's talent he's still not getting the minutes he should. I doubt we'll ever see him much on the PK, but picking up a few extra minutes at ES wouldn't hurt him.

Heck, let Hemsky play 1:30 of most powerplays and double-shift Cole at ES. It's not like Cole helps on the PP.

Black Dog said...

schitzo - agreed, to a point

Some guys say that a fourth line isn't all that necessary. Personally I think that a good 4th line, like last year's, can make a positive difference.

Having said that your point is a good one - extra icetime is a nice carrot to have for MacT. And your good players should play a lot. I never quite got how Pat Quinn played Sundin - he never got a ton of icetime - to me your best players should get the icetime that reflects this fact.

Schitzo said...

Black dog: It's not just giving your best players the icetime, it's putting them in a situation to excel. How when Hemsky is in the top 10 in the leage for PPP/60, he averages under 4 minutes a game of PP time... it's criminal.

Assuming we average around 8 minutes total PP time, he could easily be playing 6 of that, if not the whole 8. It's not like standing on the halfboards and being shifty is harder work than playing at ES.
Plus it goes back to freeing up one of Cole or Horc to take more ES and PP time. It hurts their counting numbers, but screw it, we're paying to win, not to help Cole hit a home run on his next contract.

Black Dog said...

Agreed schitzo, agreed.

Kent W. said...

I watched Eric Godard all year last year. Closely.

He didn't a do a thing in terms of deterrence. He went 6 weeks with a PIM at one point because people just stopped fighting him. Guys like Steve Ott and Alex Burrows ran amok.

The only thing Godard did do was take penalties and get scored on (check out his first two games as a Penguin for confirmation).

Maybe your situation with MacIntyre will be different, but I doubt it.

Kent W. said...

*without a PIM

Black Dog said...

Yeah but Eric Godard is no Steve MacIntyre, pal. ;)

We'll see what happens. Personally guys like Burrows and Ott don't worry me. They are little pieces of shit.

Its guys like Boogaard who have run amuck on the Oilers lately.

I would like a guy who can play personally and I thought the guy was ticketed for Springfield but it looks liek he is going to get his shot.

Schitzo said...

Kent - we had the same problem with Laraque. The question will be whether MacIntyre is either

a) a sociopath, or
b) desperate enough for an NHL gig

To run the Gaboriks and rag-doll the Burrows of this world. If not, he'll be the second coming of Big Georges

Kent W. said...

Kent - we had the same problem with Laraque. The question will be whether MacIntyre is either

a) a sociopath, or
b) desperate enough for an NHL gig

To run the Gaboriks and rag-doll the Burrows of this world. If not, he'll be the second coming of Big Georges


Fair enough. The problem for goons is there is significant deterrents in place to dissuade them from going off on the ice. I mean, Godard got two penalties this weekend for looking at people strange, and the Senators scored on BOTH PPs.

And that's not mentioning the suspensions and fines that go with the dreaded "instigator" penalty. I mean Godard skated around LOOKING for fights last year and was just told "no" - it rendered him impotent.

To tell you the truth, Im glad that MacIntyre made the Oilers. But that's because Im a Flames fan...